Jonathan Lisecki (Gayby) Talks with Sarah Gertrude Shapiro (UnREAL) for The Talkhouse Film Podcast

The creator of the best new TV show of the summer chats about her (long-gestating) overnight success.

On this latest episode of the Talkhouse Film podcast, Gayby‘s writer-director Jonathan Lisecki talks about the best new TV show of the summer, UnREAL, with Sarah Gertrude Shapiro, its co-creator, writer and supervising producer. The pair discuss Shapiro’s background, her inspirations, how she turned an award-winning short film into a hit TV show in record time, getting over “the Lifetime of it all,” and much more. For more filmmakers talking film and TV, visit Talkhouse Film at

The music featured in the podcast is as follows:
1. Intro / outro underscore: “Plastic Man vs. The Giant Red Phase Of The Sun” – Iced Ink

Episode recorded by Jonathan Lisecki and edited by Elia Einhorn

Independent Spirit Award-nominated writer/director/actor Jonathan Lisecki made his feature film debut with the romantic comedy Gayby (2012), adapted from the award-winning short film of the same title. He lives in New York and Los Angeles with his husband, New Yorker music critic Alex Ross. You can follow him on Twitter at @jonnynyc.